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Poster: movie boi Date: Apr 27, 2004 12:55am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

I didn't realize Un Chien Andalou was even contained in the Archive -- truly an amazing film.

I'm wondering, though, if it is really in the public domain. I would have thought that a 1928 work first published in France would have been re-copyrighted due to post-GATT legislation.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsimon c Date: Apr 27, 2004 1:28am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

Hey there,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, movie boi. This work was uploaded by a third party last week, and following your complaint, I've discovered documentary evidence this third party does not have the rights to post Un Chien Andalou.

Therefore, I've removed the movie from the Open-Source Movie collection. Please mail info at archive dot org if you have similar concerns regarding any other items.

Thanks,
Simon.

This post was modified by simon c on 2004-04-27 08:28:06

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Poster: Fuzzy Logic Date: May 1, 2004 11:53pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Un Chien Andalou

The film was Public Domain till August 16th, 1996. I should recieve FAX from "Grands Films Classiques" regarding their copyright claim on this film.
The US law is problematic. In the worse case, this film will remain available in websites outside the US.

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Poster: movie boi Date: May 2, 2004 1:11am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

"In the worse case, this film will remain available in websites outside the US."

That's not true. Many countries use author's life plus 70 years. Who is considered the author of a film differs by country, but I think most would consider Salvador Dali as an author who died in 1989.

So, the film will be PD in the US in 2024, but not until 2059 in many others including the EU.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to add an extra year (my math ain't too great), but it doesn't really seem too important right now.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffRick Prelinger Date: May 2, 2004 2:18am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

And then there is Luis Bunuel, the director (who always claimed Dali's contribution began and ended with the scenario), and also the producer, whose name I forget. Each is considered an author under European copyright law.

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Poster: movie boi Date: May 2, 2004 2:27am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

I used Dali instead of Bunuel because he died more recently extending the copyright. The IMDB has Bunuel listed as the producer.

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Poster: Fuzzy Logic Date: May 3, 2004 4:03am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

This movie was available on the net till quite recently. It was removed due to bandwidth limits, and it will be restored similarly.

P.S., Imagine a memorable quote from "Gone with the Wind" coming here.

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Poster: cashel Date: May 3, 2004 9:50am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

Does that mean I might get a chance to see this film? I cannot afford to pay $20 for 16 minutes viewing.. Please let me know when further info is available

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Poster: cashel Date: May 2, 2004 7:19am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Un Chien Andalou

and because I cannot pay twenty dollars for a dvd , I will not see this film

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Poster: rmanyc1 Date: Jun 9, 2005 2:17am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

The Rubin Musuem of Art in New York is showing Luis Bunuel's "Las Aventuras de Robinson Crusoe" this Saturday June 11th at 7 pm as apart of the musuem's Cabaret Cinema where movies and martinis mix. For more information visit rmanyc.org

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Poster: movie boi Date: Apr 27, 2004 1:34am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

Hi Simon that was quick.

I wasn't really complaining, I was just curious. Certainly Un Chien Andalou has been a staple of every film course for the last thirty years. It is pretty much the poster film for Kahle v. Ashcroft.

I would, though, like a higher comfort level that materials carried in the archive are really open to public use. My back-and-forth with Skip in the Featured Film forum was quite eye-opening (like in Un Chien Andalou) as to the procedures followed by the Archive.

Maybe the OpenSource Movies should educate people a little more on copyright and trademark rules.

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Poster: summerseve Date: Apr 27, 2004 2:51am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

That's weird, I've seen a couple of versions of "Un Chien Andalou" that were re-copyrighted over the years when someone put a new soundtrack on it and released it. I guess that was pre-GATT?
Anyway, you Archive folks, I too would like to see a nice fat FAQ on what's PD and what's not, or how to find out. I suppose you don't want to get into giving legal advice, but some pertinent links at least would be great. It could cut down on your workload if people know not to post certain things. And it might help protect you in our litigious age...
And keep up the GREAT work.

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Poster: cashel Date: Apr 27, 2004 7:55am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Misfilings

do I pay $20 to get this 16 minute film,via dvd? NO, I do NOT SEE THE FILM